Comments on: Henry Jenkins@Beyond Broadcast 2007 http://www.thoughtcast.org/thoughtcast-shorts/beyond-broadcast-2007/ An online watering hole for ideas. Sun, 21 Feb 2010 04:12:18 +0000 hourly 1 By: Elon Interactive http://www.thoughtcast.org/thoughtcast-shorts/beyond-broadcast-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-11137 Elon Interactive Sat, 12 Jan 2008 06:34:25 +0000 http://thoughtcast.org/casts/beyond-broadcast-2007#comment-11137 So first let’s attempt to get our heads around convergence. One of the leading voices on the subject is Henry Jenkins, author of Convergence Culture and Director of MIT’s Comparative Media Studies program. In his writings and talks, the word “participation” is frequently used. In the context of our class, I’m compelled to ask, “How is participation different from interaction?” Ask youself this question as you listen to this podcast, featuring Henry Jenkins. (Click on the link, then click on the grey play button arrow on the top left of the page, right above Henry’s picture.) So first let’s attempt to get our heads around convergence. One of the leading voices on the subject is Henry Jenkins, author of Convergence Culture and Director of MIT’s Comparative Media Studies program. In his writings and talks, the word “participation” is frequently used. In the context of our class, I’m compelled to ask, “How is participation different from interaction?” Ask youself this question as you listen to this podcast, featuring Henry Jenkins. (Click on the link, then click on the grey play button arrow on the top left of the page, right above Henry’s picture.)

]]> By: Hello world! « Het Nieuwe Nederland http://www.thoughtcast.org/thoughtcast-shorts/beyond-broadcast-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-11145 Hello world! « Het Nieuwe Nederland Thu, 03 May 2007 21:21:27 +0000 http://thoughtcast.org/casts/beyond-broadcast-2007#comment-11145 (van hetnieuwenederland.org, 12 april 2007:) <em>Hi There! My website picked up your comment on my Henry Jenkins interview (above) — could you possibly translate it for me? Then I can post it on the site! Thanks very much, Jenny Attiyeh</em> Pretty cool how you can instantly find my post :-) Nice to talk to you. Jenkins was brought to my attention by a friend of mine, Yuri van Geest. As a blogger, internet communications engineer and book reviewer for the Dutch Emerce magazine, he has been formulating his own very interesting ideas about what is happening in the media & social participation space. Two other writers that he’s repeatedly mentioned to me are Benkler and Tapscott. I myself am interested in this area from a social engineering point of view, looking at the intersection of philosophy and social policy, and how it shapes our lives through psychology. I believe this is a subject matter which is often so controversial that we don’t allow ourselves to grasp the real potential it has; I think there is great inspiration to be found in the works of Adam Curtis (check out his new documentary ‘The Trap‘), Alan Watts, Douglas Rushkoff and ‘conspiracy’ writers like Michael Tsarion, David Icke and Alex Jones. The foremost question I am currently investigating is this: "Is there a way for an n-th generation digg.com to function as a social participation space that is backwards compatible with the current forms of implemented social philosophy, and invite even the most corrupt, life-denying entities thereof into a new dance?" You see, I want to get rid of the dissent-model that Jenkins and many others (also many of the abovementioned) use in their approach. It is based on an unexamined assumption that there will always be a tense opposition between the poles of elite and masses, which results in endless cycles of repressive dualism between them. It is my thesis that this tension can be transformed by not seeking out a new way to oppose government, but to find a way to facilitate current forms of government as informed, networked and philosophically grounded social participants. The way to do this is by using effective collective visualisation tools, foremost of which a next-generation societal OS as a distributed ’supergame’, to speak in McGonigal terms; one that is homeostatic and backwards compatible with the current forms of scarcity-based social engineering. What I would say to Jenkins is: the deep level of decentralized information and communication infrastructure that we currently have can be used for much more than just ‘Power to the People 2.0‚' a phrase in which ‘the people’ usually hasn’t included the governing elite. What we can build is a broad, reliable support system that can balance and harmonize the fierce dualities in society today: left/right, elite/masses and one of my favourites, man/woman :-) Ok I’ll leave it at that for now. Cheers! (van hetnieuwenederland.org, 12 april 2007:)

Hi There!
My website picked up your comment on my Henry Jenkins interview (above) — could you possibly translate it for me? Then I can post it on the site!
Thanks very much,
Jenny Attiyeh

Pretty cool how you can instantly find my post :-) Nice to talk to you.

Jenkins was brought to my attention by a friend of mine, Yuri van Geest. As a blogger, internet communications engineer and book reviewer for the Dutch Emerce magazine, he has been formulating his own very interesting ideas about what is happening in the media & social participation space. Two other writers that he’s repeatedly mentioned to me are Benkler and Tapscott.

I myself am interested in this area from a social engineering point of view, looking at the intersection of philosophy and social policy, and how it shapes our lives through psychology. I believe this is a subject matter which is often so controversial that we don’t allow ourselves to grasp the real potential it has; I think there is great inspiration to be found in the works of Adam Curtis (check out his new documentary ‘The Trap‘), Alan Watts, Douglas Rushkoff and ‘conspiracy’ writers like Michael Tsarion, David Icke and Alex Jones.

The foremost question I am currently investigating is this: “Is there a way for an n-th generation digg.com to function as a social participation space that is backwards compatible with the current forms of implemented social philosophy, and invite even the most corrupt, life-denying entities thereof into a new dance?”

You see, I want to get rid of the dissent-model that Jenkins and many others (also many of the abovementioned) use in their approach. It is based on an unexamined assumption that there will always be a tense opposition between the poles of elite and masses, which results in endless cycles of repressive dualism between them.

It is my thesis that this tension can be transformed by not seeking out a new way to oppose government, but to find a way to facilitate current forms of government as informed, networked and philosophically grounded social participants. The way to do this is by using effective collective visualisation tools, foremost of which a next-generation societal OS as a distributed ’supergame’, to speak in McGonigal terms; one that is homeostatic and backwards compatible with the current forms of scarcity-based social engineering.

What I would say to Jenkins is: the deep level of decentralized information and communication infrastructure that we currently have can be used for much more than just ‘Power to the People 2.0‚’ a phrase in which ‘the people’ usually hasn’t included the governing elite. What we can build is a broad, reliable support system that can balance and harmonize the fierce dualities in society today: left/right, elite/masses and one of my favourites, man/woman :-)

Ok I’ll leave it at that for now. Cheers!

]]> By: Het Nieuwe Nederland » Blog Archive » Bekijk gemeenschappelijk geinteresseerde vrienden? http://www.thoughtcast.org/thoughtcast-shorts/beyond-broadcast-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-4420 Het Nieuwe Nederland » Blog Archive » Bekijk gemeenschappelijk geinteresseerde vrienden? Wed, 11 Apr 2007 22:00:31 +0000 http://thoughtcast.org/casts/beyond-broadcast-2007#comment-4420 [...] Anywee, zit een speech van Henry Jenkins te kijken. Heb net al een podcast interview met hem geluisterd; dat kwam nogal naief¬† over wb cryptofeodalisme maar was wel interessant. Jenkins is wel iemand die goed nadenkt over de vraag “wat kunnen we allemaal voor gaafs doen met onze huidige infrastructuur?”, maar stelt zich naar mijn smaak nog te weinig de vraag “hoe krijgen we het compatible met de meest geharde vormen van geinstitutionaliseerd dualisme?”. [...] [...] Anywee, zit een speech van Henry Jenkins te kijken. Heb net al een podcast interview met hem geluisterd; dat kwam nogal naief¬† over wb cryptofeodalisme maar was wel interessant. Jenkins is wel iemand die goed nadenkt over de vraag “wat kunnen we allemaal voor gaafs doen met onze huidige infrastructuur?”, maar stelt zich naar mijn smaak nog te weinig de vraag “hoe krijgen we het compatible met de meest geharde vormen van geinstitutionaliseerd dualisme?”. [...]

]]> By: Converge » Beyond Broadcast Podcasts http://www.thoughtcast.org/thoughtcast-shorts/beyond-broadcast-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-3059 Converge » Beyond Broadcast Podcasts Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:02:36 +0000 http://thoughtcast.org/casts/beyond-broadcast-2007#comment-3059 [...] UPDATE: The effervescent Jenny Attiyeh of Thoughtcast has posted interviews from Beyond Broadcast. At the moment, you can find conversations with Henry Jenkins and Bill Swersey. Check 'em out! [...] [...] UPDATE: The effervescent Jenny Attiyeh of Thoughtcast has posted interviews from Beyond Broadcast. At the moment, you can find conversations with Henry Jenkins and Bill Swersey. Check ‘em out! [...]

]]> By: Joe http://www.thoughtcast.org/thoughtcast-shorts/beyond-broadcast-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-2868 Joe Mon, 19 Feb 2007 03:22:31 +0000 http://thoughtcast.org/casts/beyond-broadcast-2007#comment-2868 Henry Jenkins' comments are interesting, but as someone who grew up in a community that used the Town Meeting system, I'm not convinced that it is any more of a "lifestyle" democracy than the prevalent spectatorial form. As you note, genuine participatory democracy would require much greater contributions of time & effort from the citizenry. Whether they would actually be willing to make those contributions remains unclear. (He never actually responded to the question about whether there's actually any such thing as a non-participatory culture; I wanted to hear his answer to that.) Henry Jenkins’ comments are interesting, but as someone who grew up in a community that used the Town Meeting system, I’m not convinced that it is any more of a “lifestyle” democracy than the prevalent spectatorial form. As you note, genuine participatory democracy would require much greater contributions of time & effort from the citizenry. Whether they would actually be willing to make those contributions remains unclear.
(He never actually responded to the question about whether there’s actually any such thing as a non-participatory culture; I wanted to hear his answer to that.)

]]> By: News http://www.thoughtcast.org/thoughtcast-shorts/beyond-broadcast-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-2863 News Mon, 19 Feb 2007 01:56:09 +0000 http://thoughtcast.org/casts/beyond-broadcast-2007#comment-2863 <strong>CMS Director Henry Jenkins on participatory culture and participatory democracy...</strong> CMS Director Henry Jenkins is featured in this podcast at ThoughtCast, discussing "the path from 'participatory culture' to 'participatory democracy.'" Listen to the podcast....... CMS Director Henry Jenkins on participatory culture and participatory democracy…

CMS Director Henry Jenkins is featured in this podcast at ThoughtCast, discussing “the path from ‘participatory culture’ to ‘participatory democracy.’” Listen to the podcast…….

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